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		<title>By: Dave Doolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Doolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re solar: not for the trains, just for powering stations, switches, signals, etc. 

I think it could be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re solar: not for the trains, just for powering stations, switches, signals, etc. </p>
<p>I think it could be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Doolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Doolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP: 

I suspect by the time all the cost overruns, inflation etc were rolled in, it would be about double that.

Then again, some pretty smart people right now as writing publicly that the *real* price tag for the mortage debacle in the US alone will be 5 terabucks.  Add Canada (it&#039;s coming), Ireland, Spain, Iceland, and of course UK which is an absolute disaster, the global cost will be absurd.  

I suspect we would literally be better off giving all the distressed mortages to their current occupants, destroying the banks responsible, publicly funding the devastated retirement accounts and bulldozing excess housing inventory.  

The difference between a fast collapse and a slow collapse is that in a slow collapse the banks get to loot the taxpayers on the way out the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP: </p>
<p>I suspect by the time all the cost overruns, inflation etc were rolled in, it would be about double that.</p>
<p>Then again, some pretty smart people right now as writing publicly that the *real* price tag for the mortage debacle in the US alone will be 5 terabucks.  Add Canada (it&#8217;s coming), Ireland, Spain, Iceland, and of course UK which is an absolute disaster, the global cost will be absurd.  </p>
<p>I suspect we would literally be better off giving all the distressed mortages to their current occupants, destroying the banks responsible, publicly funding the devastated retirement accounts and bulldozing excess housing inventory.  </p>
<p>The difference between a fast collapse and a slow collapse is that in a slow collapse the banks get to loot the taxpayers on the way out the door.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Philippe Daigle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Philippe Daigle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first reaction was that you were wrong, there&#039;s no way a track that long could be built for 700B, but after a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation, I think you&#039;re right, it would fit in that kind of budget. There aren&#039;t [m]any high-speed trains in North America, but recent-ish Portugese estimates for linking Lisbon to Porto hovered around 5B Euros for a 320Km track (I&#039;ll ignore the fact that electric-powered trains would probably cost more).

5B Euro = 6.8B USD
6,800,000,000$ / 320Km = 21250000$/km, or 34,200,000$/mi.

The longest leg on your rail network is Portland-Miami (3200 mi). That track would cost about 110B USD, so I&#039;m sure the whole thing could be done for 700. I really, really doubt the solar power conversion facilities for such a massive transportation network could be built for that cost, though (or for any cost). As I understand it, efficient solar panels rely on certain rare elements (Indium and Gallium), and there just aren&#039;t enough of these elements on Earth to build a power plant on this kind of scale.

Now, I&#039;m Canadian (Ottawa), but if I were in charge of a similar disbursement here, I&#039;d fix a pet peeve about Ottawa with a fraction of that 700B amount. 

Despite the fact that we&#039;re the nation&#039;s capital, AND suffering from ever-worsening traffic problems, AND that government cabinet after government cabinet has been promising to reduce oil dependence for years now, we still don&#039;t have great public transportation in Ottawa. Every few years, the same plan for building an electric light rail network through the city comes back up, millions are spent on debate and feasibility studies, and it gets shot down every time because actually building this would cost 2B CAD. That&#039;s all. Add another billion over the next few decades for maintenance and ramping up the network of trains, and you&#039;ve got a large part of the city&#039;s transportation problems solved. This is the sort of project it makes sense to spend public funds on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first reaction was that you were wrong, there&#8217;s no way a track that long could be built for 700B, but after a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation, I think you&#8217;re right, it would fit in that kind of budget. There aren&#8217;t [m]any high-speed trains in North America, but recent-ish Portugese estimates for linking Lisbon to Porto hovered around 5B Euros for a 320Km track (I&#8217;ll ignore the fact that electric-powered trains would probably cost more).</p>
<p>5B Euro = 6.8B USD<br />
6,800,000,000$ / 320Km = 21250000$/km, or 34,200,000$/mi.</p>
<p>The longest leg on your rail network is Portland-Miami (3200 mi). That track would cost about 110B USD, so I&#8217;m sure the whole thing could be done for 700. I really, really doubt the solar power conversion facilities for such a massive transportation network could be built for that cost, though (or for any cost). As I understand it, efficient solar panels rely on certain rare elements (Indium and Gallium), and there just aren&#8217;t enough of these elements on Earth to build a power plant on this kind of scale.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m Canadian (Ottawa), but if I were in charge of a similar disbursement here, I&#8217;d fix a pet peeve about Ottawa with a fraction of that 700B amount. </p>
<p>Despite the fact that we&#8217;re the nation&#8217;s capital, AND suffering from ever-worsening traffic problems, AND that government cabinet after government cabinet has been promising to reduce oil dependence for years now, we still don&#8217;t have great public transportation in Ottawa. Every few years, the same plan for building an electric light rail network through the city comes back up, millions are spent on debate and feasibility studies, and it gets shot down every time because actually building this would cost 2B CAD. That&#8217;s all. Add another billion over the next few decades for maintenance and ramping up the network of trains, and you&#8217;ve got a large part of the city&#8217;s transportation problems solved. This is the sort of project it makes sense to spend public funds on.</p>
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